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Electric cars acting as batteries for the energy grid

It's referred to as V2G - vehicle to grid - and there are claims that owners of electric cars could be making £2,000 a year selling power stored on their car's battery back to the energy grid. The concept has been around for a long time, but it's really starting to get traction now.

The New Scientist reports that researchers at the University of Delaware are working on a new prototype to store or supply grid energy when required. Head of research Dr Willet Kempton points out that the average US car is only driven for one hour a day and combustion cars are of no use while they're off the road, but electric cars and plug-in hybrids could act as back-ups to the grid while they're idle.

Energy companies are constantly struggling to match supply with demand and it gets worse all the time. Think how much power the average house uses now compared with the 70s - multiple TVs, kitchen appliances, PCs, heating, aircon. Extra power storage facilities can help them ensure that power isn't wasted and that becomes even more significant for renewable energy because power from wind, the sun or the sea is often irregular in supply.

The V2G system could be a great help at times like the early morning when demand spikes while everyone turns their power on at once, but it's going to take an awful lot of vehicles to reach a worthwhile power storage base. Kempton estimates that 100 vehicles available for two thirds of the time could provide a megawatt of storage power. He's planning to spend the next 18 months building more prototypes and fine-tuning the software that's an essential element in connecting the cars with the grid.

Several things come to mind here.

First, the energy companies will be bending over backwards to support this sort of development, so they'll be right behind the electric car lobby. Nice to have some big players on our side :-)

Also, I wonder how this fits in with Shai Agassi's ProjectBetterPlace idea? If anyone can work that out for me, please oblige.

Finally, could electric car owners actually make an income from their cars by selling Zero Point Energy from their batteries? I could be in "too good to be true" territory here, but I've just read about GENIE and it proposes to do just that. Imagine a car that never requires ANY fuel ... that's too big a topic to tackle just here, so I'll save that one for later. If you're interested though, try Googling 'Zero Point Energy' and you'll learn some utterly fascinating stuff.

And before any sceptics out there jump to labelling me nuts, just consider this quote from Arthur C Clarke which I nicked from Mad Teddy's blog: "There are four stages in the way scientists react to the development of anything of a revolutionary nature:

            a) "It's nonsense,"
            b) "It is not important,"
            c) "I always said it was a good idea," and
            d) "I thought of it first."

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Reader Comments (3)

Plugging into zero point field energy will take too long for our spaceship. We need damage control, or at least a serious effort, fast.
Which has been done before: http://www.bigpicture.tv/videos/watch/f2217062e

First going to the root of the matter helps: http://www.bigpicture.tv/videos/watch/07e1cd7dc

For the European/African side of the Atlantic the following plan could deliver clean base load. And supply a doubling population in the Arab world with water (desalination and crops from the deserts being a by product of sorts)
(http://www.trecers.net/downloads/articles/trec_white_paper.pdf, http://www.gezen.nl/www.gezen.nl/indexb329.html?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=68)

Same idea could be applied to other regions on our spaceship, effectively making all baseload electricity supply for all, for all times 100% clean. Power from the community can be applied where appropriate.

Demand of / engagement of EV's have the potential to generate demand for this option, since when driving an EV one wants to have matching sources of energy.

And for another serious leap forward, become a vegeterian: domestic animals produce more greenhouse gasses as all our planes, cars, trucks, ships combined..


Emil Möller, Maastricht, Netherlands
December 12, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterEmil Möller
yea, shai agassi plans to incorporate exactly this type of car-to-grid capability into his project, slated to begin in Israel next year!
January 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commenteryossi

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